Worship: Different Expressions of Worship

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Good morning, family. I am here. I'm Vicki Ludick and I am here with, with Liesel Liebenberg. We are going to discuss a few topics that I would just like to put out there for us to, to learn from. I've purposefully not sent Liesl any of these questions, so she's in the hot seat this morning. So Lies will just. Can you greet our listeners and just give them a brief of who you are and what your background, where you're from? [00:00:36] Speaker C: Good morning. I'm Liesel Liebenberg, born Zimbabwe, raised South Africa, permanently residing Namibia. And if people say to me, what is your culture? Then I have the simplest answer in saying, I don't have a culture. I only have cheat Jesus. I'm passionate about the Lord and I just, I just, I just love him dearly because he's had a huge impact in my life. [00:01:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:01:09] Speaker B: That's awesome. Okay, so I have some questions, answers that we're just going to discuss. We're going to have a nice cup of tea and coffee and we're just going to discuss it. But because I know you, I know that these are, these are like stuff that gets you going. [00:01:29] Speaker C: So how much time do we have? [00:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the problem. So we're just gonna run through them and we're just gonna trust the Holy Spirit really to, to lead us. So we're not going to put a time cap on it, but we're not going to be busy all day. [00:01:44] Speaker C: Get ready. [00:01:47] Speaker B: Psalm 95, 6 says, Come, let us bow down in worship. Let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker. So I obviously want to talk to you about worship. We've had some, some behind the scenes discussions about worship for the last 20 years. I feel, and I've, I've in my own just, you know, made some points and different kinds of worship and what happens in that worship. But I want to discuss with you because obviously you have been, you have been the person that led me to Christ and you have been the person that taught me all of these things at different seasons of my life. So I would, I would like to just tap into that and just, just have, discuss with the other people so that they can also get something great from it. So let's start with praise, adoration. Excuse me. Which is verbal worship. What do you, what is your take on verbal worship? [00:02:45] Speaker C: I think it's imperative because what I often find is that many people give their heart to the Lord. But my question is, do you love the Lord? And if you love the Lord, then automatically verbal Worship will become an integral part of who you are worshiping the Lord with words. And especially, I mean, you go and read the last few chapters of Job where him and God are now having their face off, I call it. And. And you just look at God's presence and you can't do anything but to allow worship just to flow from your innermost being. We must understand we the created. We are not the create to. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:03:36] Speaker C: And if you keep that in mind, then it's not difficult to worship your creator. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. Brilliant. Have you ever had a moment during praise where you could literally feel heaven touch earth moments? [00:03:53] Speaker C: Yes, I've had a lot where I just. When we say heaven touch earth, where I get into the inner presence, I call it the most holy of holies because of a study I did with Derek Prince where I can just be in the presence of the Lord. And that is just. That is. That is where you just come in and you just be at peace and it just. And worship takes you there. Yes, yes. And it's hard to describe to somebody who hasn't been there. Yes. But, yes, I have had those moments. I wish I could have a lot more like on a daily basis. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Secondly, bodily posture, physical expression. The Bible talks a lot about bowing, kneeling, raising hands. What is your. We are obviously in a church where we're happy, clappy. [00:04:48] Speaker A: So. [00:04:49] Speaker B: So to us. And, And I mean, it's. It's something that you definitely need to shake and you need to. You need to have a revelation of it before you start feeling free. And the freedom in. Doesn't necessarily. You know, we say the. The outward expression is a. Is an inward. It's a mirror of what's happening inward. It is necessarily like that because you get people that. That is not as verbal or as flappy and happy and dancy as. As we are. So what is your take on that, on bodily posture in praise and worship? [00:05:22] Speaker C: There's various takes, and I can always just refer back to the word, and we all know this, where David danced himself out of his clothes. I love praising and worshiping the Lord. I'm not. I've been told that I sing off key. I really don't care. I'm singing to the Lord. [00:05:42] Speaker B: My husband as well. [00:05:43] Speaker C: I sing to the Lord and it's. It's to him I'm praise and worship. But I will tell you on a number of aspects. First of all, there's a lot of people that don't want to. And I think it could be because of religious upbringing, want to raise their arms and just express to God how they feel inside. And they're like, no, we must behave ourselves. But you've got to look at David, and you know what? You've got to look at all the men who on a Saturday shut off for their rugby teams and carry on like that. [00:06:13] Speaker B: And you know what? [00:06:14] Speaker C: That's what the Lord wants from you on Sunday as well, in church. But I've always said to, to the ladies that I have just had the privilege of being with that. You want to look at your pride barometer. Get on your knees. [00:06:30] Speaker B: Yeah, fall on your knees. [00:06:32] Speaker C: Fall on your face on the ground. If you can't do that, then pride's an issue. If you don't want to raise your hands with all due respect and praise the God who created you, you know, even like this, I have to, I have to question pride. Yeah, because it's not about you, it's about Him. And God just loves it when we, for lack of a better word, make fools of ourselves, of Him. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:01] Speaker B: He doesn't see it like that. [00:07:03] Speaker C: The world sees it like that, but he doesn't see it like that. He. It's adoration for Him. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:08] Speaker B: I have to agree with you. Okay, for number three, we have sacrificial worship, the offering. [00:07:14] Speaker A: So it gets a bit tricky here. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Because I, I, I'm also always very cautious to say there's steps because there's no steps in, in Christianity. But there is. You need to crawl before you walk. [00:07:27] Speaker C: Right. [00:07:28] Speaker B: So I do feel that, that we need to get a hang of, of praise and worship and adoration before we can enter into a phase where we understand sacrificial worship. Okay, so my question is, Roman 12 tells us to offer ourselves as living sacrifices. What does this kind of worship look like in everyday lives? [00:07:51] Speaker C: Okay, so you had a podcast recently with Alma, and she gives a brilliant teaching on water baptism. And the insight there is that, is that you lay yourself down. Sacrificial sacrifice is where on a daily basis, you, you've laid your old nature down, you've crucified your old nature, you've been raised up with a new nature, and on a daily basis is to say to yourself, I do not. First of all, the one aspect is I no longer live in an old nature. I live in a new nature, so I don't have to do this. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:33] Speaker C: People must understand the concept that when you are raised up in Christ, you're in a new nature. You no longer have a sinful nature. So when those things come across your path, you do have the Authority and the power to say, but this is no longer me. I do not have to do this. And you need to that sacrificial where you, for me, where you, you, you sacrifice and you say no, I'm not going to do this. Another aspect of sacrificial worship is where me, myself and I get shoved under the carpet many times and I speak to many women who are wives. So many young women just want to get married. But have you really thought about what you're doing? You need to think carefully because a marriage is 100% sacrificial. You need to sacrifice yourself, your wants, your needs for your husband, for your children. A lot of women kick against that. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:34] Speaker C: But if you do it in the correct manner and in the right attitude, it is the most awesome blessing you will ever receive. But it means you get up. I remember when my girls were swimming, you get up at half past four in the morning because they need to be in the pool at 5 and you must make all their food and, and it's all these things you, you sacrificing yourself. You saying, not me, but you, Lord, what do you want in this situation? And people think it must always relate to big Christian events, etc. No, it's your everyday living with your husband and your children. You don't realize that that is your sacrifice. God says to us, we must go out to make disciples. It starts with your family first. And if you do that, yes, fair enough. When they grown up and everything, you come to the point and you ask the question which I had to ask myself, who am I? But you know what, that's just a great way to say, right Lord, yeah, new, new starts. What do you have for me? Let's go. Yes, but until that point, you need to lay a lot of the times your wants, your desires, you need to lay down because God has a purpose for you in raising those children, in being the support mechanism and the wife to that man who's head of the household. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Yes, I think the next one leads out of that one because how do we lay ourselves down? And I mean this is my personal favorite is obedience. Only because it's, it's been, it's been a trial and error in my own life. And I, I realized the times that I am obedient, not necessarily not asking questions. I do ask questions, I've just learned now to ask them afterwards. Sometimes I don't even ask them because I'm like aha, Lord. That's why. So it's easier because it's like a muscle that I train. I know when God calls me to be obedient about something or towards something, I just am because I love him so much. But to young Christians or, you know, it's a walk. Obedience is not just. It's weird, you know, being obedient when God says, don't do something, and you don't have the why or the the what or the you don't understand it. Because in my experience, naturally, 80, 90% of the time, when he asks me to be obedient, it doesn't make sense. [00:12:08] Speaker C: Yes. [00:12:09] Speaker B: So, yeah. So when it doesn't make sense, I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. [00:12:14] Speaker C: Yes. [00:12:15] Speaker A: But. [00:12:15] Speaker B: But obedience in itself is. Is a form of worship. [00:12:20] Speaker C: It is a form of worship, and most importantly, I think it's the foundation of faith. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Yes. [00:12:26] Speaker C: So you and I were having that discussion recently about by the time God. I mean, we. I was saying to you, can you imagine the relationship that God had with Abraham? He didn't just appear out of nowhere and say to Abram, move. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:44] Speaker C: Somewhere God revealed himself to Abram, and there was a relationship. So that when. Because Abram knew he could trust God, and that only comes through relationship. So that when God said to him, get up and move, he could be obedient because he had the faith to be obedient. But I love the obedient or obedience journey. A lot of people don't realize this. I did a study a couple of years ago on the fear of the Lord, and it all came down to being obedient. And obedience is worshiping the Lord. And I often say to people, as you have said, it's a journey, and it starts immediately when you are saved. The first thing is, if you look in the word that people did after they were saved, they were baptized. Why? Because that's you declaring to the world, hey, I've died. New nature in Jesus Christ. And I often say to people, because I ask, why. Why don't you want to be baptized? I'm not ready. I'm not. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:50] Speaker C: But I think that maybe comes from not understanding exactly what's happened and what it means. And my question is always to somebody, if you can't be obedient in the small things, y. How are you going to be obedient when God comes to you and says, because you don't know anything. Get up and move. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:09] Speaker C: So obedience is an exciting journey because as you are obedient, it's. It's these shows that you watch. The. The. The challenges get bigger. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:14:19] Speaker C: If you want to put an analogy it's the show. So you obedient in the small things. And as. As the prizes get bigger, so the challenges get better. Bigger. Same thing in our spiritual work. Start off with the small things. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker C: And then as you do that, you get to the bigger things. So when God does come to you and say, get up and move now. You don't even think about it. You get up and you move. [00:14:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker C: So obedience for me is just. It isn't something separate. It isn't something, maybe I will do it, maybe I won't. Maybe it'll be part of my Christian walk. It is the Christian walk because its foundation is faith. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Meditation on the Word. These are all. We're still busy with all of these acts of worship or worship. So meditation on the Word. I mean, you and I have many conversations about this. I don't know how people grow that don't spend time in the Word Word. I don't know how you will ever mature. No, you can't. So how does time in the Word become a form of worship, not just study or discipline? [00:15:28] Speaker C: So, you know, you know what it is is that. And I. And I'm lecturing myself. Sorry. When. When we. When we choose to step in. I know. Morning, Lord. Good night, Lord. And the whole day I find myself speaking to the Lord. But there is a time that you've got to set aside where what you've got to understand spending time in the Word is you being taught by the Holy Spirit. Because the Word clearly says, the Holy Spirit will reveal the Father to us and Jesus to us. You cannot tell me you know the Father and you know Jesus. If you are not spending time in the Word, because that is where the Holy Spirit teaches you about the Father and about the Lord and reveals things to you. You. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yes. [00:16:15] Speaker C: And you can listen. It's lovely to listen to podcasts and. Oh, this is interesting. And this is interesting. But the Word says, go and test everything in the Word. You can't listen to all this stuff and not read the Word. The Word is the bread. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:16:33] Speaker C: Not. Not anything else. And so you've got to go to the Word to grow. To grow in that relationship with the Lord and to grow in worship of him, to grow in obedience of Him. You've got to believe in the Word and the authority of the Word. If the Word says, don't do this, don't do this. I had a revelation doing the 70 times 7 course from Bruce Wilkinson. Couple of revelations there. Ouch. Because it's all Word based. And the Word says, if you do not forgive. God will hand you over to torturers. And I'm like, nay, is there such thing like that? [00:17:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:12] Speaker C: Well, I tasted it. I went into the Word, and there it is. If you do not forgive, God will hand you over to the torturous. And that's the thing about the Word. The Word is that people don't understand this, but that's because you're putting God in a box. The Word is living. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:32] Speaker C: I challenge anyone, and I've told you this before. You work through psalms and you just highlight all the positive words. In psalms, you feel depressed. The Word says, put on the. Put on the cloak of praise. I'm wording it wrong now because that will get rid of your depression. But you speak those words aloud. And I know for a fact, because I've done this, the person you walk in is not the person you walk out. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Definitely. [00:18:02] Speaker C: The Word is what changes. You cannot have an experience, experience with the Word, reading the Word, and be the same person that leaves. And what you've got to understand is that when you come to the Word, who is the Word? It's Jesus. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:16] Speaker B: It's the living breath. [00:18:17] Speaker C: In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God. And the Word is God. And so you've got to realize that time is sacred. We just, like, randomly. I don't want to read the Word now. But you know what? That is a time where you're coming into the presence of your Creator. You're saying, here I am. I want more of you. I want. Teach me. Show me. And my regret for a lot of people is that they would rather choose life than spending time with the Lord, even if it's just half an hour every morning. Life just gets too busy. And you and I both know, for somebody who spends time in the Word every day, day four. If you haven't spent time in the Word, you are under attack. People who. Who do that know what I'm talking about. You cannot afford to go out in this world without speaking the Word when you know people are quick to put on the armor of God, but that little dagger that kills those flaming arrows is the Word that you have to speak. You cannot look at an attack and say, oh, please don't do this to me. You've got to speak the Word of God. It is only the Word of God spoken that will end it. And when you are putting your trust in your faith in the Word of God, you're putting your trust and faith in Jesus. That is worship. [00:19:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:49] Speaker B: Amen. Creative worship. Art, dance, craftsmanship, so there's debates about this. Right. Because I know some people that say, you know, this happens in, in your inner room. It's supposed to happen. I strongly disagree. I. I myself love to dance. I try and do it as often as I can, and I try and normally do it before I start with my normal. A morning routine that includes exercising and stuff. And it's not a religious thing for me. Some days I just spend time on my knees. Some days I just spend time on the Word. Some days I just dance. For me, in the season of my life, I love flag dancing. So I have actually, for the last few years, I'm saying season, but it's a very long season. And I'm praying that it won't pass. Not for me to get better, but. But it is a performance that I do just for one. And, and yes, sometimes we do it in church and, and sometimes we do it in our inner rooms, but I don't think that it should be constrained in inner rooms. I don't, I don't believe that. But what is your take on creative worship? [00:21:02] Speaker C: Again, I can only look at what the Word says. And again, for me, creative worship, God. You go back to Genesis and God created the Earth. If there isn't creative worship there, I don't know what is. But I mean, everything in the Word is there to uplift and to build us. And you see, and I think it comes. Sorry, with. Let me just go back a step here with maybe people not defining or understanding the definition of creative arts incorrectly. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:45] Speaker C: They will only apply their definition and understanding of that to the world. And we know that the world is pretty messed up. [00:21:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:53] Speaker C: But you need to look at the other side of the coin as well. All that creativity comes from God. Nothing that you do is from your own thinking. And that is clearly seen where God inspires those men to build the tabernacle when we. In the desert. [00:22:13] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:14] Speaker C: Okay, David. Again, I take David to dancing and the loud noise that was made. If you read that chapter and you live yourself into that chapter. Man, that was loud. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:27] Speaker C: Then go to Revelation. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:29] Speaker C: You see the creativity in Revelation. You see the sound, the loudness. Heaven is not quiet. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:37] Speaker C: There's nothing quiet about heaven. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker C: I'm not saying people must get silly. Yes. I'm not saying we, we need to be careful that we don't embarrass other people. But you've also got to look at it. You will get embarrassed if that's also another area. Because people say, oh, you can't behave like that. Well, what's your heart like? I'm worshiping my God. And I know what you're talking about, because there are times that I. I was worshiping one day in church, and I just felt I need a flag. And I knew where they were. I just went and got one, and I started waving that thing. But for me, I was living in the worship. I was just in that moment worshiping in God, and I just wanted the flag. And you know what? I'm all for creative worship in a church, but creative is a lot of things. It's not just dancing. It's. It's the music being played up on stage. It's. It's. You know, it's creative worship. It's the classes we give to our children in. In Sunday school. So I'm all for creative worship. [00:23:50] Speaker B: Yes, very much so. Me too. Fellowship and unity. This is obviously where we are with. With other fellow believers. We often think of worship as individual, but corporate worship is deeply biblical. What happens when believers gather to worship together? What is your take on. On that? I mean, there's. When Alma was here, she was giving a whole lesson on those. On those four things. Yes, those four biblical things. And one of them, I remember clearly was about how we are called to always stay plugged in with each other, cannot sit at home and do church online just because it's comfortable or because we're cold. Yes. [00:24:34] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:24:35] Speaker B: It's very important to be together and to worship together. [00:24:40] Speaker C: I believe in corporate fellowship because, you know, you come to church and God, so you know this, but sometimes somebody just has to say for it, say it for the penny to drop. And it was Zandia who came here who said it. She said, in this room, we have a room full of potential. We have a room full of people who can receive word from God for someone else, who can pray for someone else, who can prophesy for someone else as God gives them utterance. You can't do that at home. No. And I know. I know for a fact, speaking about myself, you're sitting at home and you're watching church, and people are being prophesied over and healed. And. And. And you're like, I want to be there. Can't you do it to someone on screen? No. But what you must realize is that we're one body of Christ. We sisters and brothers in Christ. We are there to build each other up. We are there to give guidance. We are there to help each other. And even I don't use the word. I don't like using the word reprimand, but rather to guide and say, rather do it this way, not that way. And Jan and I were speaking about this the other day. You know, our youth of today, if, if they haven't been raised in biblical Christian homes in a relationship with Jesus, they come to a church and, and it's the elders. People are so quick to put the elders aside. But in, in, in, in all my fields of training and work in disaster risk reduction and environmental management, it's, etc. It's that knowledge that they call it, what do they call it? Cultural knowledge. But, but, but what it comes down to, it's, it's the old people. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:43] Speaker C: That can guide and help and we cannot put that aside. But if, if, if you don't come to church, where are you going to learn that? Where are you going to be able to reach out to someone and say help me? [00:26:59] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:00] Speaker C: Where are you going to be able to see? But there's other people in the church that have got the same problem and challenges as I have. Or, or where are you going to be able to go to, to, to get. Pray. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:11] Speaker C: For illness. We, on Tuesdays you can, every second Tuesday we open here and people can come here for prayer because they ill or for whatever. We, we throwing our doors open and we saying come. Yes, we inviting you come so we can pray for you. So corporate fellowship is extremely important because I do believe that it mirrors what is going to be happening one day in heaven. [00:27:39] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. I mean how awesome is it to, to worship the Lord with everyone else? [00:27:45] Speaker C: Worship. [00:27:47] Speaker B: I always get this. I don't know if it's a vision or, or. Yeah, I always, you know the verse that says if you don't cry out, the stones will. And I'm always like, lord, please don't use. [00:27:57] Speaker C: Yes, I will. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Where do you want my voice to go? Oh, you know, I don't care if, if I can't keep a note or I don't care if someone else is saying something about me picking up a flag and being crazy. I just, I've come to a stage in my life where worship is everything. It is everything. Which brings us to the next. [00:28:15] Speaker C: Sorry, I just want to add on that one. And I'm going to now cause a little bit of havoc. Havoc. I call myself a disruptor, a godly disruptor. But I often find people won't go and fellowship or worship in a church because of racism. Okay. As far as I'm concerned, racism is demonic. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:41] Speaker C: Because we are all created in God's image and I Often say to people, what made God make you white and someone else black and someone else Chinese and someone else colored? The fact that he did that means it's from him. We are all created in the image of God. And you know what? One day when we are standing next to each other in heaven, we worshiping our hearts up. Guess what? There are no bodies with spirits. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Amen. [00:29:10] Speaker C: So color doesn't even come into it. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:29:14] Speaker C: So I'm. When people say to me they don't want to go to a church because of this, because of this culture, because of this, I'm just like, yeah, get over it. Build a bridge and get over it. Because that's nonsense. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Okay. And then for our last one on worship. So you and I have both been in seasons or are currently in seasons, where this is. This is our language. This is our current language. So spiritual warfare. [00:29:40] Speaker C: Yes. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Worship as a war. Worship isn't just a song. It's a warfare. How do you understand worship as a spiritual weapon? [00:29:49] Speaker C: Okay, just. Okay. So again, we've looked at all the aspects of worship, and again, when it comes to warfare, worship is not. Not just singing, it's speaking the word. And I do believe that we've got. You've got people that are very strong in being able to speak the word in prayer. I know a lady in our church, Ruth. Oh, she is so strong in her spiritual warfare when she's praying. I often think one day when I'm want to be like that, but you know what? She's just surrendered to the Holy Spirit. And we've got to understand. And it's so interesting because I sent you something to listen to last night that deals with warfare is that spiritual warfare is very important. I say always, we've got the armor of God. And this is my take. Please understand this. And all of our weapons are defense weapons except one. The seventh one is prayer. And prayer is so powerful. Ron actually one day said nothing happens. God responds to prayer. If you want to change an outcome, you have got to pray. And I'm not talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about entering you getting into that area of worship. And. And Derek Prince writes, has done a brilliant study on stepping deeper in, where he uses the Tabernacle, where you come into the gates with praise giving you, then go through the outer court, where you, forgiveness, go into the inner court, where you're connecting with the Holy Spirit and you know, and the Word, and then you step into the holy of Holies, which is where your warfare takes place, because it's then speaking in the power God has given us. The power. He says he's given us the power and the authority. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:03] Speaker C: To speak his word. [00:32:04] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:05] Speaker C: Not anything else. And you must understand that every time you speak that word in prayer, in warfare, God will send that word out to achieve the purpose for which he sends it in the right context, obviously. I think it's so. I think not a day can go by with, and I use it in connotation where spiritual warfare doesn't take place. Remember, we are living in a world that is being ruled by Satan. And you've heard me say this before. People are constantly. Who aren't saved are constantly doing things that you, you can't even understand. And I always say, why do you expect them to behave any differently? They're behaving exactly like they should. It's you who's got to behave differently. [00:33:17] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:18] Speaker C: And that comes through praying every day. Praying and, and praying is warfare. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:24] Speaker C: You cannot go a day without warfare because you're living in a world that we are not of this world, we are in it. And considering who the world's run by and what it is, you will. You will be confronted every single day with something that you will have to stand and not just defend yourself, but pray that warfare into. And you can only do that if you know the word. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Yes. All of these takes. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Takes hands, right? [00:33:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:33:59] Speaker B: So what would you say to someone who feels. I mean, we get this a lot. People say, I feel disconnected from God. Who wants to reignite that fire again? What is your final words on that? What would you say to someone or to our listeners that is currently having that. [00:34:18] Speaker C: That feel like that? So first of all, a lot of time people get disconnected because they can't hear God. They expect these supernatural encounters everywhere. It doesn't work like that. I'm sorry. You want a supernatural encounter every day? Go and read your word. [00:34:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:33] Speaker C: So the first thing I would say to somebody who says that to me is get back into the word every day. Read your word, go to church so that you can fellowship with other believers. Yes. Do praise and worship in your house. There's a, there's a different type of praise and worship as we've seen for you in your inner chamber and for that which is corporate worship. And most of all, be obedient. You want to connect with God. Be obedient. Do what he tells you. If you're obedient in the small things, you will get bigger things. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:08] Speaker C: And that's all I can say is get into the Word, then you won't feel disconnected. Yes, I can count. People talk about these supernatural encounters. I can honestly, it's. I don't even have them 12 times a year. I'm lucky if I, you know, I look at other people and they have all these things and I'm like, oh, don't have that. But I know that I have the Word every day and I know that the Lord's talking to me and in me through the Word and he shows me things in other people that just makes me stand back in awe and. And he speaks to me through creation. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:52] Speaker C: You know, the sun rises. That's nature is me and God connecting. So I think people who are doing art connecting. People who are rotting connecting. I think if you can understand that, then you will see how God is trying to connect with you every day. Again, people who are saying, ah, not being connected. Sorry, but I feel that's a me, myself and I am proud thing and you need to sacrifice that and lay it down. Amen. That's me. [00:36:25] Speaker B: All right. So I think you can all see why Liesel has been my favorite mentor and been a part of my journey since day one. But she's also. She's not. Not just that, she's also leading the women's ministry in our church. And as you can see, there's a no nonsense approach there. But I can tell you out of personal experience that all of these stuff, I mean, we've gone through and gone through and gone through and some of it snaps and, or falls into your. You know, you have a revelation and you just change and some of these things takes a while and you have to change true on them. Which is why we thank God that we now have videos that we can go back and listen to teachings and listen to stuff. But, but I want to, I want to encourage you not to only listen to podcasts and videos and read small Bible motivationals. They are great. I'm not saying they're. I love writing, so please do read my stuff. But, but go to your Word for a season in your life. Put down everything else. Don't read anything else. Accept your word and, and be faithful in those little small. I don't care if people say it's religious, then do the religious thing and set our time for yourself and spend time with God every day. Start with a 15 or 20 minutes and just sit in his presence. Just close the door behind you and just, just sit with Him And I can guarantee you that it will very quickly, you will see that it's not a religion. It's not a religious act. You will start with this. With this. I need this. I need to sit with the Lord. And that's how maturity happens. That's how we get to maturity. And we no longer use milk, but we. We get solid food. And God wants to give you solid food. He doesn't want to give you milk, but he's also a gentle God, and he doesn't push. So that's it from us for today. If you enjoyed it as much as. As I did, please like and share and. Yeah, check in with us next week. All right. Bless you. [00:38:27] Speaker C: Bye Bye.